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A critical thought on v3

PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:37 am
by tr4der
i would like to give some feedback on the new v3.

At first i think it's an important and good decision to take the v3 multiplatform. What I absolutely don't understand is why one would ever use Mono-Framework in 2020. Why don't you use .NET Core v3. It's highly optimized and actively developed by Microsoft.

The second and most important point is the UI. When I first saw the UI I thought you were joking. This is not an improvement but 1000 steps backwards. This looks like a cheap Filezilla version with nearly no functionality. Why would you take a well respected tool in the FXP scene with very good functionality and transform it into a cheap looking 1-Click-Tool? What was your point there, I really don't understand. Improvement doesn't always need visible change.

This doesn't even look like beta to me It's looks like a very rushed development version that had to be released no matter what.

I don't want to be disrespectful but I'm not sure if you are aware of your main user group. From my standpoint Rush is used by many advanced IT people, site- and dev-ops. It was feature rich and you could do nearly anything with it. Documentation could have been better but whatever. I don't think it's the step in the right direction to make an "easy to use" tool for the masses out of it. Why would you change the menu layout, icons and arrangement so drastically? There is a reason why this design was there for many years. Because it simply worked! There are more and more ppl now I speak to that are already looking for alternatives, even payed ones. People would even pay you money for an old product just to not get the new one..

I'm a software developer my self and I know that some decisions are made from people in distrbution etc. who have absolutely no clue from software. I sometimes myself wish that somebody would write feedback like that so they would change there opinion on some of their decisions.

It's OK to improve over time and add more features in the background. But you should not move a rock stable core and reinvent the wheel with every major release.

Re: A critical thought on v3

PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2020 12:26 am
by FTP
Thank you for your detailed advice. We have something to explain.
First of all, we think of Mono is an excellent cross-platform framework, our goal is to make the FTP Rush can run on Windows/Linux/Mac/Android/iOS on all platforms. The Windows version of FTP Rush doesn't actually use Mono, it‘ a .net Framework 4.5 and WPF application, just uses the "mono.csharp.dll" as a script interpreter.

The second is about the interface. Our goal is to make it simple and fast, not flashy and bloated. This doesn't mean that FTP Rush is a one-click Tool. The real power of FTP Rush is that it supports c# scripting and allows users to implement whatever functionality they need. I'm sorry we don't have documentation to explain how to use scripting languages at the moment, but we'll do our best to document it. We will briefly explain how to use the script in the forum later so that you can test it.

Finally, our goal is to make FTP Rush a file transfer tool that supports multiple protocols (including various cloud storage), not just FTP/FXP. After all, cloud storage is the future of the file transfer, FTP/FXP will be more and more minority. The current FTP Rush V3 does not support FXP, and we intend to support FXP transfers through scripts in the future.

Re: A critical thought on v3

PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:29 pm
by Rushv3
It would be nice if you could open source v1 and v2. We might be able to add IPv6 and maybe TLSv1.3 support

v3 is a complete new thing and has nothing to do with v1+2. Totally different usecase.
I dont think there is even one FTPRush User that is interested in v3 ;)

Re: A critical thought on v3

PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:35 am
by FTP
We can not make FTP Rush v1 and v2 open source, because it uses some commercial library. We don't have any rights to make those library open source.

Re: A critical thought on v3

PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:44 pm
by tr4der
Thanks for your reply.

Hm.. but WPF and Framework 4.5 is not crossplattform.. It's bound to Windows. If you use Mono just to interpret some C# scripts I seem to miss the point of using .NET Framework (not .NET Core) in 2020.

It's absolutely legitimate to add some cloud features to an FTP client (even so I don't see the point). But you've taken an absolutely fine FTP client strip down basically all it's features we loved about it and made a not very appealing looking wrapper around FluentFTP out of it. This is just my honest opinion. I don't want to offend anybody here.

If you fear getting less relevant because you think the FTP protocol is loosing it's popularity which might be partly true, why don't you offer a separate cloud storage client?

This is not a new major version imho but a completely different program. Removing FXP from an FTP client because it's not as popular anymore.. This does not make any sense to me.The whole FTP protocol is not as popular anymore as it was 20 years ago. Do you remove the program because of that? No.
FXP is a core functionality which you should not add later by a not documented scripting functionality.

As I said, I'm not quite sure if you know your user base. I can't imagine the FTPRush user wants a more simple version of it with nearly no features. If I'm a regular user I don't use FTPRush in the first place but FileZilla. I don't see the point of making an advanced FTP client easy to use. It is easy to use for the people it is intended for..

I think cloud features are not useful in an FTP client. I think a whole new program for that would've been more appropriate that forcing an FTP client into something it was never intended for. Because now you neither have a good FTP client nor a good storage account solution.

This is just my honest feedback. I don't want to convince you from anything I just feel like speaking for a lot of FTPRush users atm.

Re: A critical thought on v3

PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:46 pm
by rushftp82
I can only agree with my predecessors.

i was so looking forward to a new version and thought it would be something! after the great disappointment of V2.

but that was probably nothing again. what's good about the V3 is the script support for C# and that it supports multi os, but the rest is very disillusioned.

i would have hoped to see the interface and theme design of version V1 alone. and a decent FXP support.

since you can reveal version V1 of the source code, it would be really great for all paid users to upgrade V1 with tls1.3 and ipv6. i think some users would also pay a few euros for the upgrade from version 1 (the only true version so far)

Re: A critical thought on v3

PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:20 pm
by rushftp82
replacement *can't* (since you can't reveal version V1 of the source code)

i miss the download from V1 for the paid users.

Re: A critical thought on v3

PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:31 pm
by FTP
OK, the download link for the old version 1.x has been re-added.
And we are now developing a new version which supports full protocols of server to server file transfer, it means you can transfer files from a FTP server to an SFTP server, or from Amazon S3 to a FTP server... It will be much more powerful than old FXP feature, because old FXP feature has many limitations.

And many other features will be implemented in the near future, please be a little patient, thanks!

Re: A critical thought on v3

PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 5:48 pm
by bugreport
FTP wrote:We can not make FTP Rush v1 and v2 open source, because it uses some commercial library. We don't have any rights to make those library open source.

That's definitely acceptable, but why you don't keep doing some minor developments updates on FTPRush v2 such as TLSv1.3 / OpenSSL 1.1.1 support so it can keep being used instead of dropping it? You can be sure that a huge percentage of users would appreciate it very much, including myself, otherwise they will be forced to drop it at some point due to obsolescence. Also it would be a good way to keep old v2 users happy since v3 is just a huge disappointment for many (yes i know it something still developing and new) but based on your previous statements I'm pretty sure it's not your intention to keep all features from v2 in FTPRush v3. I would like to hear from you about it.

Re: A critical thought on v3

PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 5:55 pm
by bugreport
For better clarification the previous matter also applies to v1 (paid users).